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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING NEWS — City Council fires city manager, cuts more than $1 million from budget</title>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cathy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sue Beverly is not looking at the transparency issue.  Seems we just can&#039;t find politicians willing to actually do things the right way.  It&#039;s all about THEM and truly not about the people.  SAD.  And we are stuck with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Beverly is not looking at the transparency issue.  Seems we just can&#8217;t find politicians willing to actually do things the right way.  It&#8217;s all about THEM and truly not about the people.  SAD.  And we are stuck with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For anyone interested there are additional comments/discussion in the comments section on the story regarding when the decision was made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone interested there are additional comments/discussion in the comments section on the story regarding when the decision was made.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Liddle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart Liddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sue,
when you are speaking of &quot;people who chose to move away from Newcastle&quot;, I am going to assume that you are taking a shot at me.  While you might have missed your mark by a wide margin when you took direct aim at Gary (who DOES live in Newcastle), you are correct in that I did move away from Newcastle. 

I take offense at your attitude when you imply that simply because I no longer live in Newcastle, that I have NO right to comment about the political issues affecting Newcastle&#039;s future.

I care about Newcastle because I spent so much time and energy getting it to even become a city.  After incorporation, I spent at least as much time on the city council.

Heck, if it weren&#039;t for me and others in the Newport Hills Now group you would not even be posting opinions in the Newcastle News about your support of the council&#039;s actions....you&#039;d probably be a part of Renton.  

It seems to me that there were a lot of people in the Hazelwood community that opposed incorporation....but even if you were one of those people I would still acknowledge your right to your opinion.  

I would have hoped that others would allow me the right to my opinion as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue,<br />
when you are speaking of &#8220;people who chose to move away from Newcastle&#8221;, I am going to assume that you are taking a shot at me.  While you might have missed your mark by a wide margin when you took direct aim at Gary (who DOES live in Newcastle), you are correct in that I did move away from Newcastle. </p>
<p>I take offense at your attitude when you imply that simply because I no longer live in Newcastle, that I have NO right to comment about the political issues affecting Newcastle&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>I care about Newcastle because I spent so much time and energy getting it to even become a city.  After incorporation, I spent at least as much time on the city council.</p>
<p>Heck, if it weren&#8217;t for me and others in the Newport Hills Now group you would not even be posting opinions in the Newcastle News about your support of the council&#8217;s actions&#8230;.you&#8217;d probably be a part of Renton.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that there were a lot of people in the Hazelwood community that opposed incorporation&#8230;.but even if you were one of those people I would still acknowledge your right to your opinion.  </p>
<p>I would have hoped that others would allow me the right to my opinion as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sue:

First, I DO live in Newcastle so I believe I have a right to voice my opinion. Second, I have not personally raised the issue of the campaign contribution.  i have simply raised the idea of ethics and transparency.  I have not challenged the right of the Council to make a change.  In fact, I have acknowledged that they certainly do have a right to make a change.  I have, again, only challenged the process that was used and raise it because I, like you, will be affected by their decisions.  As for the &quot;sense of purpose&quot; you refer to, and they call their &quot;vision&quot;, I have merely asked them to state what that vision is.  If it&#039;s clear enough to them to take action on it then it should be clear enough to verbalize it to us.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s asking too much.

Sue, I believe in your right to state your opinion.  But if you&#039;re going to comment on me directly please be sure you have the facts.  I moved from Newcastle for a few years and have been a fulltime resident again for quite some time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue:</p>
<p>First, I DO live in Newcastle so I believe I have a right to voice my opinion. Second, I have not personally raised the issue of the campaign contribution.  i have simply raised the idea of ethics and transparency.  I have not challenged the right of the Council to make a change.  In fact, I have acknowledged that they certainly do have a right to make a change.  I have, again, only challenged the process that was used and raise it because I, like you, will be affected by their decisions.  As for the &#8220;sense of purpose&#8221; you refer to, and they call their &#8220;vision&#8221;, I have merely asked them to state what that vision is.  If it&#8217;s clear enough to them to take action on it then it should be clear enough to verbalize it to us.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s asking too much.</p>
<p>Sue, I believe in your right to state your opinion.  But if you&#8217;re going to comment on me directly please be sure you have the facts.  I moved from Newcastle for a few years and have been a fulltime resident again for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a lot of stones are being thrown at the new Council by people who chose to move away from Newcastle!  Adams goes on and on about not knowing the newly elected councilors&#039;  &quot;vision&quot;.  Garry, if you still lived here, you&#039;d have been doorbelled repeatedly by these folks and had plenty of opportunity to talk their ears off as well as hear what they wanted to change.  The fact is, you don&#039;t live here and didn&#039;t bother to talk to them until now. 

Getting rid of Starbard was a critical first step in reining in City spending.  The man spent money like it came out of a tap.  But then, like you, he didn&#039;t live here so it was just a game to him.  The outgoing Council had a sorry record of spending our money on studies and consultants for projects the City didn&#039;t need and couldn&#039;t afford.  Good riddance!

As far as Wyman&#039;s contribution to Dulcich&#039;s campaign goes, your finger-pointing ignores the five other councilors who approved hiring Rob back.  Three of them weren&#039;t even up for election this time.  Even if Dulcich&#039;s campaign had failed for lack of Rob&#039;s $500, the new majority would still have canned Starbard and hired Rob.  Try to remember that his is an interim appointment, not necessarily a permanent position.  Personally, I am glad to see a Council with a sense of purpose.  It&#039;s a nice change from the stalling and dithering of the previous bunch.  

And don&#039;t even start in about behind-the-scenes maneuvering.  Machiavelli would marvel at how Starbard manipulated the old majority, not to mention using City staff to thwart the efforts of the Council minority and Newcastle citizens.

Face it.  We were fed up with being alternately ignored and sneered at.  The people who cared voted...and we&#039;re mighty glad we won.   The new majority is doing just what we hoped they would.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lot of stones are being thrown at the new Council by people who chose to move away from Newcastle!  Adams goes on and on about not knowing the newly elected councilors&#8217;  &#8220;vision&#8221;.  Garry, if you still lived here, you&#8217;d have been doorbelled repeatedly by these folks and had plenty of opportunity to talk their ears off as well as hear what they wanted to change.  The fact is, you don&#8217;t live here and didn&#8217;t bother to talk to them until now. </p>
<p>Getting rid of Starbard was a critical first step in reining in City spending.  The man spent money like it came out of a tap.  But then, like you, he didn&#8217;t live here so it was just a game to him.  The outgoing Council had a sorry record of spending our money on studies and consultants for projects the City didn&#8217;t need and couldn&#8217;t afford.  Good riddance!</p>
<p>As far as Wyman&#8217;s contribution to Dulcich&#8217;s campaign goes, your finger-pointing ignores the five other councilors who approved hiring Rob back.  Three of them weren&#8217;t even up for election this time.  Even if Dulcich&#8217;s campaign had failed for lack of Rob&#8217;s $500, the new majority would still have canned Starbard and hired Rob.  Try to remember that his is an interim appointment, not necessarily a permanent position.  Personally, I am glad to see a Council with a sense of purpose.  It&#8217;s a nice change from the stalling and dithering of the previous bunch.  </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even start in about behind-the-scenes maneuvering.  Machiavelli would marvel at how Starbard manipulated the old majority, not to mention using City staff to thwart the efforts of the Council minority and Newcastle citizens.</p>
<p>Face it.  We were fed up with being alternately ignored and sneered at.  The people who cared voted&#8230;and we&#8217;re mighty glad we won.   The new majority is doing just what we hoped they would.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Liddle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart Liddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Gary on this.  Here you have one or two of the new councilmembers negotiating a deal with someone for the interim CM job PRIOR to being sworn in.  Technically they were doing this as private citizens with no authority to perform such negotiations.  Also, since it is before being sworn in, they don&#039;t really have to adhere to any open meeting laws.  

I&#039;m sure that council members Dulcich and Erxleben will argue that the agreement with Mr. Wyman may be a moot point since it was ratified by a majority of the council.  I believe that this displays a disturbing arrogance with regard to the conduct of city business.  In essence it is saying to the public &quot;We can do what we want because we were elected by the people and we have a majority on the council that will back us up.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Gary on this.  Here you have one or two of the new councilmembers negotiating a deal with someone for the interim CM job PRIOR to being sworn in.  Technically they were doing this as private citizens with no authority to perform such negotiations.  Also, since it is before being sworn in, they don&#8217;t really have to adhere to any open meeting laws.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that council members Dulcich and Erxleben will argue that the agreement with Mr. Wyman may be a moot point since it was ratified by a majority of the council.  I believe that this displays a disturbing arrogance with regard to the conduct of city business.  In essence it is saying to the public &#8220;We can do what we want because we were elected by the people and we have a majority on the council that will back us up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not quite so lenient.  Two of the three &quot;new&quot; Councilmembers have served before so they know the rules and explicitly campaigned on the idea of being more open and transparent in their decision making.  Two weeks in to be firing people, having a temporary City Manager already selected and ready to go, seems more like retribution to me. Like I said before, I simply want them to be honest, open, transparent, like they said they were going to be and this doesn&#039;t seem like a good start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not quite so lenient.  Two of the three &#8220;new&#8221; Councilmembers have served before so they know the rules and explicitly campaigned on the idea of being more open and transparent in their decision making.  Two weeks in to be firing people, having a temporary City Manager already selected and ready to go, seems more like retribution to me. Like I said before, I simply want them to be honest, open, transparent, like they said they were going to be and this doesn&#8217;t seem like a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: SalmonFisher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SalmonFisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary,
Great, I didn&#039;t see the ethical issue either. I&#039;m certainly willing to give this council a full month before I start chastising them for stuff I think they might do. 

I don’t believe in elected officials thinking they have mandates either.  It gets them in trouble and subjects us to pendulum swings that are not healthy. But again, I’ll give them more than a month before I accuse them of not listening. 

We should see issues debated, in public. I’ll be with you if they don’t do that. Again, more than a month….]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,<br />
Great, I didn&#8217;t see the ethical issue either. I&#8217;m certainly willing to give this council a full month before I start chastising them for stuff I think they might do. </p>
<p>I don’t believe in elected officials thinking they have mandates either.  It gets them in trouble and subjects us to pendulum swings that are not healthy. But again, I’ll give them more than a month before I accuse them of not listening. </p>
<p>We should see issues debated, in public. I’ll be with you if they don’t do that. Again, more than a month….</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SalmonFisher:

Please understand that my comments are not directed towards Rob.  I know him as well so that&#039;s not my issue.  My issue is simply that you can&#039;t run on the idea of transparency and honesty and then make the first major action look as if it was done in the dark of night.    I hope we&#039;re all on board with the idea that our Council needs to conduct it&#039;s business on a high ethical level and with openness so we can all understand actions that are taken, whether we agree with them or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SalmonFisher:</p>
<p>Please understand that my comments are not directed towards Rob.  I know him as well so that&#8217;s not my issue.  My issue is simply that you can&#8217;t run on the idea of transparency and honesty and then make the first major action look as if it was done in the dark of night.    I hope we&#8217;re all on board with the idea that our Council needs to conduct it&#8217;s business on a high ethical level and with openness so we can all understand actions that are taken, whether we agree with them or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Liddle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart Liddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Sonny Putter and Gary Adams about the ethical issues surrounding the appointment of Rob Wyman to the position of interim city manager.  While the new council certainly has the authority to let Mr. Starbard go, they should really be careful about how they choose his successor both interim and &quot;permanent&quot;.

It&#039;s funny how some people gloss over the double-salary payments that will be made over the next 6 months while at the same time wanting to be very cautious about any kind of city spending.  Plus, don&#039;t forget the costs that will be incurred when searching for a full-time replacement for the city manager position.  (Unless the council decides to keep Mr. Wyman, but that raises other issues not the least of which are his qualifications for the job.)

Openness &amp; transparency in government was an important issue when I was on the city council.  Gary Adams knows this and so does Sonny Putter.  Apparently this is something that the new members of the city council need to learn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sonny Putter and Gary Adams about the ethical issues surrounding the appointment of Rob Wyman to the position of interim city manager.  While the new council certainly has the authority to let Mr. Starbard go, they should really be careful about how they choose his successor both interim and &#8220;permanent&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how some people gloss over the double-salary payments that will be made over the next 6 months while at the same time wanting to be very cautious about any kind of city spending.  Plus, don&#8217;t forget the costs that will be incurred when searching for a full-time replacement for the city manager position.  (Unless the council decides to keep Mr. Wyman, but that raises other issues not the least of which are his qualifications for the job.)</p>
<p>Openness &amp; transparency in government was an important issue when I was on the city council.  Gary Adams knows this and so does Sonny Putter.  Apparently this is something that the new members of the city council need to learn.</p>
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